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Empowering Lawyers Beyond Legal Roles: A Conversation With Neil Handwerker And Kimberly Fine – Above the Law


In
a
legal
world
often
defined
by
rigid
swim
lanes
and
limited
career
trajectories,
how
do
you
carve
a
new
path?
On



Season
10,
Episode
9
of
Notes
to
My
(Legal)
Self
,”
I
had
the
pleasure
of
talking
with
Neil
Handwerker
and
Kimberly
Fine,
co-founders
of
ex
judicata,
about
reimagining
what
you
can
do
with
a
JD.
Their
platform
is
transforming
how
lawyers
pivot
to
fulfilling
careers
beyond
traditional
legal
roles.


Here’s
what
I
learned
about
why
lawyers
are
seeking
change,
how
ex
judicata
is
helping
them,
and
what
the
future
holds
for
nontraditional
legal
careers.


Meet
The
Pioneers
Of
Lawyer
Reinvention


Neil
Handwerker
and
Kimberly
Fine
bring
unique
perspectives
to
their
mission
of
empowering
lawyers.
Neil,
a
JD
himself,
left
legal
practice
years
ago
and
recognized
the
lack
of
resources
for
lawyers
wanting
to
pivot.
Kimberly,
an
expert
in
executive
education
and
board
governance,
saw
firsthand
the
need
for
career
paths
that
align
with
lawyers’
unique
skill
sets.
Together,
they
founded
ex
judicata
to
provide
tools,
resources,
and
a
community
for
lawyers
exploring
new
opportunities.


“We’re
here
to
show
that
a
JD
isn’t
just
a
law
degree,”
said
Kimberly.
“It’s
a
degree
in
complex
problem-solving

and
the
world
needs
more
of
that.”


The
Problem:
Swim
Lanes
Without
Exit
Ramps


Many
lawyers
feel
trapped
in
what
Neil
described
as
a
“culture
of
isolation.”
In
law
firms,
lawyers
are
often
siloed
into
specific
practice
areas
with
little
exposure
to
other
opportunities.
Corporate
lawyers
may
fare
slightly
better,
but
the
profession
as
a
whole
often
lacks
the
fluidity
seen
in
other
industries.
If
a
lawyer
wants
out,
the
traditional
options
are
stark:
up
or
out.


“Lawyers
just
keep
swimming
forward
without
pausing
to
ask
themselves
if
they’re
happy
or
fulfilled,”
Neil
observed.
“That’s
why
we
wanted
to
create
defined
paths
for
those
looking
to
pivot.”


The
ex
judicata
Solution:
Helping
Lawyers
Navigate
The
Pivot


To
help
lawyers
identify
and
pursue
nontraditional
career
paths,
ex
judicata
provides
a
suite
of
tools:


  • EXJ
    Career
    Match
    Diagnostic:


    A
    20-to-30
    minute
    assessment
    built
    by
    PhDs
    in
    organizational
    behavior
    that
    identifies
    your
    probability
    of
    success
    in
    five
    key
    nonlegal
    areas.

  • Job
    Board:


    A
    curated
    selection
    of
    over
    1,100
    JD-advantage
    roles
    across
    industries.

  • Coaches’
    Corner:


    Access
    to
    experienced
    career
    coaches
    who
    offer
    30-minute
    complimentary
    sessions
    to
    help
    with
    resumes,
    LinkedIn
    profiles,
    and
    strategic
    planning.

  • Talent
    Network:


    A
    platform
    connecting
    lawyers
    with
    employers
    who
    recognize
    the
    value
    of
    a
    JD
    in
    non-legal
    roles.


Kimberly
emphasized
the
importance
of
helping
lawyers
realize
the
breadth
of
opportunities.
“From
compliance
and
public
policy
to
sales
and
marketing,
there’s
a
wide
array
of
roles
where
legal
training
shines.”


Why
Do
Lawyers
Leave
The
Practice?


Not
every
lawyer
exits
the
profession
out
of
unhappiness.
Some
seek
a
better
work-life
balance,
others
crave
intellectual
growth,
and
some
simply
want
a
change
of
pace.


Kimberly
noted
that
the
pandemic
forced
many
lawyers
to
reevaluate
their
priorities.
“For
the
first
time,
lawyers
were
home
for
dinner
with
their
families,
and
they
realized
there’s
more
to
life
than
billing
hours,”
she
said.
But
the
billable
hour
and
the
constant
“always
on”
culture
remain
the
top
reasons
lawyers
want
out.


Opportunities
Beyond
Traditional
Legal
Roles


The
hundreds
of
job
titles
tagged
by
ex
judicata
as
JD-advantage,
reflecting
roles
where
legal
skills
are
highly
valued,
include:


  • Compliance
    and
    risk
    management

  • Diversity,
    equity,
    and
    inclusion
    leadership

  • Sales
    and
    business
    development

  • Brand
    and
    product
    management


“There’s
a
hidden
talent
pool
in
plain
sight,”
Neil
explained.
“Lawyers
bring
incredible
skills
in
communication,
negotiation,
and
issue-spotting

qualities
that
businesses
need
more
than
ever.”


Supportive
Law
Schools
And
Law
Firms


Interestingly,
ex
judicata
is
receiving
strong
support
from
law
schools
and
law
firms
alike.


  • Law
    Schools:


    Many
    have
    onboarded
    ex
    judicata
    to
    provide
    alternative
    career
    resources
    for
    students.
    JD-advantage
    placements
    also
    count
    toward
    ABA
    employment
    metrics,
    a
    win-win
    for
    schools
    and
    graduates.

  • Law
    Firms:


    Innovative
    firms
    with
    internal
    outplacement
    services
    see
    value
    in
    supporting
    associates
    who
    wish
    to
    pivot.
    This
    approach
    keeps
    alumni
    in
    the
    firm’s
    ecosystem,
    creating
    opportunities
    for
    future
    collaboration.


“By
helping
lawyers
transition
successfully,
firms
actually
strengthen
their
alumni
networks
and
client
relationships,”
Kimberly
noted.


Practical
Tips
For
Lawyers
Exploring
A
Pivot


If
you’re
thinking
about
leaving
the
practice
of
law,
where
should
you
start?
Neil
and
Kimberly
shared
actionable
insights:


  1. Take
    The
    EXJ
    Career
    Match
    Diagnostic:


    Pinpoint
    your
    strengths
    and
    find
    areas
    where
    your
    JD
    skills
    are
    most
    valuable.

  2. Read
    Personal
    Stories:


    Explore
    how
    other
    lawyers
    have
    successfully
    transitioned
    into
    new
    fields.

  3. Ignore
    The
    Naysayers:


    Neil
    encouraged
    introspection.
    “Listen
    to
    yourself.
    Ignore
    those
    who
    say
    you’re
    throwing
    away
    your
    degree

    it’s
    your
    life.”

  4. Leverage
    Resources:


    Use
    tools
    like
    ex
    judicata’s
    job
    board,
    coaches,
    and
    community
    events
    to
    explore
    your
    options.


Building
A
Community
Around
Reinvention


The
mission
of
ex
judicata
extends
beyond
tools
and
resources

they’re
creating
a
community.
Their
WeFunder
campaign
allows
supporters
to
invest
in
their
mission,
fostering
a
shared
vision
for
reimagining
what
a
legal
career
can
look
like.


“Changing
someone’s
job
often
changes
their
life,”
Neil
reflected.
“And
that’s
what
drives
us

to
help
lawyers
find
careers
that
bring
them
fulfillment
and
joy.”


If
you’re
ready
to
explore
your
options,
visit
ex
judicata
and
start
your
journey.
Your
JD
is
a
passport,
not
a
prison.
Where
will
it
take
you
next?




Olga MackOlga
V.
Mack 
is
a
Fellow
at
CodeX,
The
Stanford
Center
for
Legal
Informatics,
and
a
Generative
AI
Editor
at
law.MIT.
Olga
embraces
legal
innovation
and
had
dedicated
her
career
to
improving
and
shaping
the
future
of
law.
She
is
convinced
that
the
legal
profession
will
emerge
even
stronger,
more
resilient,
and
more
inclusive
than
before
by
embracing
technology.
Olga
is
also
an
award-winning
general
counsel,
operations
professional,
startup
advisor,
public
speaker,
adjunct
professor,
and
entrepreneur.
She
authored 
Get
on
Board:
Earning
Your
Ticket
to
a
Corporate
Board
Seat
Fundamentals
of
Smart
Contract
Security
,
and  
Blockchain
Value:
Transforming
Business
Models,
Society,
and
Communities
. She
is
working
on
three
books: 
Visual
IQ
for
Lawyers
(ABA
2024), The
Rise
of
Product
Lawyers:
An
Analytical
Framework
to
Systematically
Advise
Your
Clients
Throughout
the
Product
Lifecycle
(Globe
Law
and
Business
2024),
and
Legal
Operations
in
the
Age
of
AI
and
Data
(Globe
Law
and
Business
2024).
You
can
follow
Olga
on 
LinkedIn and
Twitter
@olgavmack.