Sidney Powell Asserts The ‘I’m Full Of Sh*t’ Defense In Dominion Defamation Suit

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Yesterday, Sidney Powell defended herself against Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.3 billion defamation suit by claiming that any rational listener would know that she was full of shit.

“[R]easonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process,” she insists in her motion to dismiss.

At the same time, Powell asserts that the plaintiffs cannot prove actual malice under the New York Times v. Sullivan standard because she herself believed the nonsense she was spewing about Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez rigging the presidential vote for Joe Biden.

And she still believes it. Just not enough to assert the truth of her claims as a defense.

[The complaint] alleges no facts which, if proven by clear and convincing evidence, would show that Sidney Powell knew her statements were false (assuming that they were indeed false, which Defendants dispute). Nor have Plaintiffs alleged any facts showing that Powell “in fact entertained serious doubts as to the truth of h[er] publication.” In fact, she believed the allegations then and she believes them now.

Yes, Powell is claiming that no one could possibly have believed her public allegations about Dominion were statements of fact, while simultaneously claiming that she herself believed they were statements of fact. And no, this case was not filed by Lin Wood, who originally threatened to slay the Dominion dragon on her behalf. Powell’s regular sidekicks Lawrence Joseph, Howard Kleinhendler, and Jesse Binnall are gracing the docket with their creative stylings.

How creative?

Well, in addition to the regular arguments about DC federal court being the wrong jurisdiction and venue for statements made in DC, Powell makes some truly bizarre assertions about the practice of law generally. Who knew that “an attorney-advocate for her preferred candidate and in support of her legal and political positions” has a right to defame third parties?

“[T]he statements in question are not actionable because they were made in the context of pending and impending litigation,” she insists, likening Fox and Newsmax media hits in which she baselessly accused Dominion of participating in an illegal conspiracy to Justice Department press releases.

“All the allegedly defamatory statements attributed to Defendants were made as part of the normal process of litigating issues of momentous significance and immense public interest,” she says of her repeated allegations that Dominion machines used algorithms to flip votes from Trump to Biden.

Similarly, she claims a privilege to make “vituperative” claims as part of the political process, blithely ignoring the fact that all the allegedly defamatory statements were made after the election. Also, Dominion was neither a candidate for office, nor a defendant in any of the post-election Kraken suits. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Perhaps most delightful for Kraken superfans (it me!), is Powell’s assertion that her belief in a multinational conspiracy to rig the election was reasonable because she relied on affidavits from expert and eye witnesses. The fact that she and her legal team appear to have played a major role in drafting those affidavits is not mentioned. Nor is the fact that Powell tried valiantly to conceal the identity of multiple witnesses from the court, obscuring the fact that they were rando internet conspiracy theorists with major credibility problems, not the super-secret spy types she claimed they were.

Also the motion features a cameo by former Overstock.com CEO and current conspiracy enthusiast Patrick Byrne in his role as “Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Defending the Republic, Inc.,” Powell’s fundraising vehicle. And Dominion’s lawyer Thomas Clare has filed a notice of related case to get the company’s defamation suits against Rudy Giuliani and MyPillow guy Mike Lindell into US District Judge Carl Nichols’ courtroom.

The gang’s all here! Let the shitshow commence.

US Dominion Inc. v. Powell [Docket via Court Listener]


Elizabeth Dye lives in Baltimore where she writes about law and politics.

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The Law School Rankings Rat Race Has New Cheese

At the end of this month, U.S. News & World Report — the de facto regulator of law schools — will release its annual “Best Law School” rankings with a new methodology that accounts for student debt but penalizes racial and socioeconomic diversity. While the legal profession’s deficient progress toward diversity rears its head in report after report after report, this change should reignite efforts to reduce the influence of U.S. News on schools and applicants alike.

U.S. News derives immense power from claiming that a higher-ranked school is better than a lower-ranked school. Each year, the law school world overreacts to slightly shuffled U.S. News rankings, justifying the ranking’s apparent authority and value. Faculty circulate leaked copies of the rankings. Proud alumni and worried students voice concerns. Provosts threaten jobs. Prospective students confuse the annual shuffle with genuine reputational change.

Law school administrators react predictably with obsession and derision. They articulate methodological flaws and lament negative externalities, but nevertheless commit to the rankings rat race through their statements, press releases, actions, and inaction. These reactions cement the outsized impact of U.S. News on law school operations. As a result, this ranking plays a direct role in increasing legal education costs and decreasing the commitment schools can have to access, affordability, and innovation.

The incentives it creates and hierarchy it reinforces complicate even the most basic reform conversations within law schools. So when U.S. News changes its methodology, anyone with an interest in legal education should pay attention. Law schools will change their behavior.

According to reporting by Mike Spivey from Spivey Consulting Group, U.S. News has made the following changes:

  • +3% for average graduate debt among those borrowing (lower is better)
  • +2% for the percentage of graduates borrowing (lower is better)
  • -4% for selectivity (LSAT, GPA, acceptance rate)
  • -1% for faculty resources (expenditures per student, student-faculty ratio)

I appreciate that U.S. News continues to recognize and grapple with some of the negative effects of its rankings. At first glance these changes seem promising. Fewer people borrowing and borrowing on average less are important goals related to law school affordability. Likewise, the reduced value on selectivity may help law schools make more holistic admissions decisions. But the devil is in the details. The easiest way to game these changes is to enroll more students who are wealthy.

Already the proportion of wealthy students has increased dramatically over the past decade. Over 84% of 2010 graduates borrowed for law school. That percentage fell more than 11 points in 2019, to 73%.

Percentage of Law School Graduates Borrowing

Law school remains way too expensive to warrant viewing such a steep decline with anything but suspicion. More than 1 in 4 graduates did not need to borrow for law school despite an average tuition of $48,000 per year at private schools and $27,000 at public schools. At the top 20 schools, the percentage fell 15 points between 2010 and 2019, from 81% to 66%. Preliminary figures for 2020 graduates indicate an additional two-point decrease at the top 20 schools, while the overall rate of borrowing across all law schools declined an additional half-point.

The increase in law school scholarships — on the backs of students of color and low-income students — does not explain these trends. For example, the percentage of students who received a full-tuition scholarship or full-tuition scholarship plus living stipend increased by 4.4% between 2010 and 2019. A major gap remains even if each of those students did not borrow because of the financial award. Instead, the borrowing figures tell a story of a student body marred by price inequity and wealth inequality.

The U.S. News methodology change will reward the schools that continue this trend of enrolling wealthier students. Wealthy students who do not need to borrow will help a school lower/maintain its percentage borrowing. Wealthy students who borrow a relatively smaller amount will bring the average amount borrowed down because the average is among students who borrow at least $1 for law school. It’s a win-win for the law school that successfully targets offers of admission to these students, but our profession and those who depend on us lose.

Law schools may also get whiter due to this change. As it stands, students of color pay and borrow more for law school than their white peers. Enrollment of students of color is positively correlated with the average amount borrowed (r = .322; p < .01) and the percentage borrowing (r = .169; p < .05). A school that wants to improve its performance on these metrics without addressing the underlying cost of its education may change racial composition for the worse.

Although the correlations are on the weaker side, they are statistically significant. As my research with Professor Deborah Merritt on enrollment of women at law schools shows, these trends can worsen over time when gaming U.S. News is involved. We found that women are more likely to attend schools with substantially worse employment outcomes. When women first reached enrollment parity over 20 years ago, this was not the case. As schools began to use advanced analytics to game the rankings, the pattern emerged, became statistically significant, and then stark.

While I don’t think law schools at the top of the hierarchy purposefully biased enrollment away from women, the enrollment patterns followed a clear incentive. Similarly, I don’t think law schools will try to become less racially and socioeconomically diverse. But unless schools actively resist these incentives, that’s exactly what will happen.

Although the U.S. News research team made an earnest attempt to address the absurd cost of legal education, these changes — which my organization, Law School Transparency (LST), has opposed — will do more harm than good. Though some schools may elect to lower the average student debt with lower tuition, the better incentive to achieve that would be to replace the faculty resources component of the methodology (i.e., the expenditures per student metrics) with an efficiency metric that rewards schools that charge students less tuition and better balance enrollment and the job market. U.S. News has expressed interest, but moving forward depends on the ABA Section of Legal Education adopting several data proposals.

Improving the U.S. News ranking methodology is important, but reformers must also look beyond these rankings to achieve positive change from our law schools. Decision-makers need new systems of measurement that produce better incentives, yet still offer consumers usable information as they decide where to attend law school. Along with a variety of partners in the legal profession, LST has proposed a new system of measurement to do just that.

Using B Lab’s Certified B Corporation and LEED’s approach to sustainability as models, we can reward law schools for valuable societal contributions on a range of measures that U.S. News does not reward. Schools will be able to showcase how they devote more than words to meaningful objectives like diversity and curricular innovation. Schools will retain flexibility in how they achieve their certification while our system creates the necessary conditions for affordable, accessible, and innovative legal education — and cause faster positive change.

This project is but one way to help law schools improve. I challenge anyone concerned with the diversification of the legal profession, student debt, and graduate practice-readiness to get involved with our project or come up with their own. The status quo is only such because we do not do enough.


Kyle McEntee is the executive director of Law School Transparency, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit with a mission to make entry to the legal profession more transparent, affordable, and fair. You can follow him on Twitter @kpmcentee and @LSTupdates.

ATL Bracket Time: Still An Opportunity To Help Toobingate

Toobin in the days before Zoom. (Photo by Slaven Vlasic/Getty Images)

The NCAA tournament may be on pause until the weekend, but the ATL Epic Zoom Fail tournament continues. So far everything is going chalk except for a 7-10 upset in the offing. I guess the audience in India hasn’t checked into Above the Law yet to help their favorite son over the top.

So remember to cast your vote. You have until Thursday, March 25 at 9:00 a.m. Eastern to cast your vote.

In the meantime, here are the matchups again.

(1) Lawyer Tells Judge ‘I’m Not A Cat’ In The Best Zoom Court Mishap Yet vs. (16) Miami Judge Reminds Attorneys To Wear Pants For Zoom Hearings: I feel like Lawyer Cat needs to be on upset alert the further we get into this tournament. Yeah, Lawyer Cat is all of us these days, but there are some fails that have receded into our distant memory that are probably better. And the bottom seed is a great story that we only get second-hand. A Miami judge scolding attorneys to stop showing up from bed or poolside, though we never get details on those anecdotes.

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(2) Jeffrey Toobin Makes A Great Poi–OH MY GOD, HIS DICK’S OUT!!! vs. (15) Doctor Operates On Patient During Zoom Traffic Court Trial: Lawyer Cat may have gone viral, but don’t sleep on the most recognized legal analyst in America losing his job after having his dick out during a work call. On the other side, the term “routine surgery” took on new meaning as a doctor decided to multitask and appear at his own hearing while putting someone under the knife.

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(3) Supreme Court Oral Arguments Include Toilet Flush In World’s Greatest Metaphor vs. (14) Is This Attorney Naked During A Criminal Hearing?: Did you forget about how this whole remote hearing thing started with a Supreme Court justice hitting the head mid-argument? Because that most definitely happened. On the flipside, we have our first — but definitely not our last — lawyer captured in a state of undress.

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(4) Yep, That’s A Lawyer Having Sex On Camera During A Hearing! vs. (13)
Lawyer Says ‘Sneaky Bitch’ Before Judge Reminds Him He’s Not Muted: Sex. On camera. During a drug gang hearing. That’s some serious gumption. Meanwhile, the latter lesson in the importance of muting your mic tumbled in the seeding because the lawyer offered up a not-so-bad excuse.

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(5) Spicing Up Zoom Client Meeting With Oral Sex vs. (12) Zoom Civil Procedure Conversation Interrupted By Naked Man: There’s likely a naked guy involved in both of these, but for the first one we don’t know what he got up to under that desk. Home Owners’ meetings, like civil procedure, are so boring.

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(6) Man Attends Zoom Court Hearing From His Victim’s Home, Gets Arrested vs. (11) Guy Attends Suspended License Hearing From Inside Car: This is the Judge Jeffrey Middleton and prosecutor Deborah Davis pod. Both of these incidents happened in the same courtroom with the same prosecutor within a matter of weeks. But there can be only one victor.

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(7) Lawyer Fails To Turn Off Camera, Starts Shoveling Down Lunch On Call With Top Government Official vs. (10) Lawyer: Requiring Me To Wear A Tie Is Egregious! Judge: Sir, You’re Wearing Pajamas.: Eating on camera may not seem like a big deal, until you realize he’s doing it in front of the Solicitor General of a nation with over a billion citizens. To put it in perspective, you would’ve had to do that to Noel Francisco 3 and a half times to be as embarrassed. On the other hand, we have the lawyer who opted to double-down. Unsatisfied with the court’s dress code, he fought the law! The law won.

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(8) Shocking Video Of Law School Professors Making Racist Comments Goes Viral vs. (9) Harvard Law School FedSoc President Brings Gun To Class: This is a bit of a law school pod. Georgetown Law was shaken when law professors were captured discussing grading and musing about grading Black students in a way that should have set off alarms about unconscious bias. The other entry goes back to the very beginning of the pandemic when we were all just waiting for the first “FedSoc gunner does something offensive to own the libs” moment.

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So here we go. Get those votes in:


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Is Viet Dinh The Most Powerful Lawyer In America?

Viet Dinh (courtesy of Fox Corporation)

Ed. note: This column originally appeared on Original Jurisdiction, the latest Substack publication from David Lat. You can learn more about Original Jurisdiction on its About page, and you can register to receive updates through this signup page.

Who is the most powerful lawyer in America?[1] If you believe what you read in the New York Times and the Financial Times, then Viet Dinh, chief legal and policy officer at Fox Corporation, has a colorable claim to the title.

He’s the top lawyer at Fox, a Fortune 500 company with $11.4 billion in revenue and $1.6 billion in profit, which is no small thing. But these numbers understate the power of Fox, which exerts incredible influence over American politics and culture as the parent company of Fox Broadcasting and Fox News. And according to the NYT and the FT, Dinh’s title as chief legal and policy officer understates his power at Fox.

Ben Smith, the media columnist of the New York Times, describes Dinh as “a kind of regent” at Fox, even though Rupert Murdoch is chairman and his son Lachlan Murdoch is CEO. Similarly, the Financial Times reports that Dinh — whom it describes as “sharp, ambitious, and ultraconservative” — is “making decisions on behalf of Lachlan.”

What does Dinh himself have to say about these claims? To put it succinctly: fake news.

“These reports are just flat-out false,” Dinh told me in an extended interview earlier this month, speaking by phone from Los Angeles, where he is now based.

I pressed him: is this perhaps false modesty on your part? And you couldn’t really admit this even if it were true, could you?

“To ascribe any role to me other than my day job, which is overseeing legal, regulatory, and government affairs, is not only false, it would mean I have far more time than I actually do,” Dinh said. “Lachlan hired me for what is very much a full-time job, which I can barely manage to do with 24 hours in the day.”

It’s certainly true that Dinh has a lot on his plate right now. Two years ago this month, on March 19, 2019, Fox Corporation became a stand-alone, publicly traded company, separate from 21st Century Fox. The following day, Disney acquired what remained of 21st Century Fox — which was actually the bulk of the company, including the 20th Century Fox film and television studios — for $71 billion. But even though Disney wound up with most of 21st Century Fox, Fox Corporation is still a giant company, with a market capitalization of more than $25 billion and such lucrative assets as Fox Broadcasting, Fox News, and Fox Sports. Dinh oversees legal, regulatory, and policy issues for this media empire — a sprawling, perhaps daunting portfolio.

But Dinh is used to having a lot of responsibility. Serving as chief legal officer to a major public company is only the latest chapter in his career, which has taken him to the highest levels of academia, government, Biglaw, and now corporate America.

Dinh’s inspiring personal story — how he fled post-war Vietnam with his mother and siblings when he was just 10, spent almost two weeks at sea on a leaky fishing boat, lived for months at a refugee camp, and eventually made his way to the United States, where he and his family made ends meet through the back-breaking work of picking strawberries — has been previously told elsewhere. I won’t discuss it in detail here, except to mention how it shaped his outlook and future legal career.

“When we became refugees and landed in America, it truly was the shining city on a hill,” Dinh told me. “It was the place where we enjoyed the freedom to pursue our dreams and the security to lead a good life.”

And that contrast — between growing up in a country ravaged by war and then dominated by Communist totalitarianism, followed by living in a stable democracy committed to free enterprise — inculcated in Viet Dinh both a love of America and a fascination with government. Specifically, he developed a keen interest in figuring out why some governing systems work, while others fail — along with an abiding faith in American democracy and capitalism, the systems he views as most successful.

This interest explains why, after earning a scholarship to Harvard College, Dinh majored in Government (much to the disappointment of his father, who wanted him to become a doctor). It also explains why Dinh decided to pursue a career in law, going straight through to Harvard Law School, from which he graduated in 1993.

While in law school, Dinh made several friends who would later become very important for him professionally, including Paul Clement, Mark Filip, and Pat Philbin, HLS class of 1992.[2] As the first and only lawyer in his immigrant family, Dinh was a newcomer to law and the legal profession, and he didn’t fully appreciate the benefits of clerking. But Clement and Philbin explained the value of clerkships to Dinh and introduced him to Judge Laurence Silberman (D.C. Cir.), for whom they both clerked after graduating from HLS.

Dinh went on to clerk for Judge Silberman as well, then clerked for Justice Sandra Day O’Connor of the U.S. Supreme Court. To this day, he views his clerkships as “the foundation of my professional life,” and both Judge Silberman and Justice O’Connor as great mentors.

After clerking, followed by a year working under fellow HLS grad and SCOTUS clerk Michael Chertoff on the Senate Whitewater Committee, Dinh joined the faculty of Georgetown University Law Center in 1996. Once again, his career choice flowed from his interest in government: writing and teaching about government seemed like a dream job to Dinh, and while at Georgetown Law, he focused on constitutional law, international trade, and corporate governance. They’re disparate areas doctrinally, but all centered on how to set up structures and institutions to order social interactions and economic transactions, in a way that promotes human flourishing.

From 2001 to 2003, Dinh took a leave from Georgetown Law for another stint in government, serving as Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Policy. He was recruited for the role by several friends in the administration of President George W. Bush and the Department of Justice under Attorney General John Ashcroft — including Paul Clement, then Principal Deputy Solicitor General and later Solicitor General — and Dinh was excited by the opportunity to both serve his nation and participate in the workings of government at the highest levels.

“It was a trying period for our country, coinciding with the 9/11 attacks,” Dinh recalled. “But it also made for a purposeful period of service. There was no question of why we were there: to serve our country in her hour of greatest need, to contribute to rebuilding America and keeping her safe.”

After two years leading OLP — during which he played a key role in advancing a conservative legal agenda, including passing the Patriot Act, a landmark national security law, and winning confirmation for more than 100 federal judges — Dinh returned to Georgetown in 2003. Also in 2003, he launched Bancroft PLLC — initially just a vehicle for his “side hustle” of outside consulting and legal work, but eventually one of the most successful litigation boutiques in the country.

The Bancroft story — its rise to prominence, especially after Paul Clement joined the firm in 2011, and then the absorption of Bancroft’s lawyers into Kirkland & Ellis in 2016 — has also been told before (including by me, in this story and this one). For present purposes, I’ll again just note the importance of law-school friendships — not just Dinh and Clement’s friendship but also their friendship with Mark Filip, the former federal judge turned Kirkland partner who orchestrated the Kirkland/Bancroft deal — and how Bancroft’s success eventually led Dinh to leave full-time academic work and return to the world of practice.

After the K&E transaction, which saw Dinh became a partner at Kirkland, he had held pretty much every great job within the legal profession, all by the age of 48: Supreme Court clerk, tenured T14 law professor, Senate-confirmed DOJ official, boutique managing partner, and Biglaw partner, with one exception: general counsel of a Fortune 500 company. But Dinh’s career was far from over.

Back in June 2003, at an Aspen Institute event, Dinh met Lachlan Murdoch, the eldest son and heir apparent to media magnate Rupert Murdoch. The two became friendly, and Lachlan (re)introduced Dinh to Rupert (whom Dinh had met briefly in the past through a mutual friend). In 2004, Dinh joined the board of News Corporation, the multinational media company controlled by the Murdochs; after the 2013 spin-off transaction that created 21st Century Fox and News Corp, Dinh became a director of 21st Century Fox.[3]

In 2018, Dinh stepped down from the 21st Century Fox board, ahead of the $71 billion sale of most of 21st Century Fox’s assets to Disney, in preparation for becoming chief legal and policy officer at Fox Corporation aka “New Fox,” which would hold such assets as Fox Broadcasting, Fox Sports, Fox Business, and Fox News. Along with his wife, Jennifer Ashworth Dinh, and their children, Dinh moved from Washington to Los Angeles, home for much of the Fox leadership team (including Lachlan Murdoch).

“A confluence of personal and professional factors made this choice easy,” Dinh said. “I jumped at the opportunity to work with folks I’ve known and trusted for 17 years, and I was glad to return home to California, where I grew up.”

Dinh’s choice to join Fox might have been easy, but his first two years as a top executive of a new public company have involved challenges — most obviously, the coronavirus pandemic and economic downturn. These events had significant negative implications for Fox, given its dependence on television production, live sporting events, and advertising revenue, all adversely affected by the pandemic and recession.

To get ahead of the economic fallout and avoid layoffs elsewhere within the company, Fox announced in April 2020 that executives would experience temporary pay reductions of 15, 50, or 100 percent of salary, depending on seniority. The executives giving up 100 percent of their salary, through the end of September 2020, were the company’s executive officers, including chairman Rupert Murdoch, CEO Lachlan Murdoch, and yes, CLO Viet Dinh.

(But don’t worry too much about Dinh. Much of his compensation comes in the form of stock and bonuses rather than salary, and per Fox’s 2019 proxy statement, he earned more than $24 million in total comp that year. Last year was not quite as lucrative for Dinh, but he still did just fine; he took home $12 million, according to the 2020 proxy statement.)

“As a result of those cuts, we were able to guarantee to the rest of the workforce that we would not do layoffs,” Dinh said. “We preserved their positions, even when there was no television production, no sports to cover, and reduced demand for our product. It was a wonderful example of our leadership making sure our entire family was protected.”

That was just spring 2020. Fall 2020 brought a new challenge for Fox News, one that very much implicated Dinh’s interest in government and politics: covering the presidential election, post-election challenges, and transition to a new administration, fairly and accurately, while not alienating Fox’s core conservative audience.

To its critics on the left, Fox did not succeed — and, to the contrary, Fox News bears at least some responsibility for the reprehensible January 6 attack on the Capitol. For example, here’s Ben Smith of the Times on Fox:

The network parroted lies from [former president Donald] Trump and his more sinister allies for years, ultimately amplifying the president’s enormous deceptions about the election’s outcome, further radicalizing many of Mr. Trump’s supporters…. High profile Fox voices, with occasional exceptions, not only fed the baseless belief that the election had been stolen, but they helped frame Jan. 6 as a decisive day of reckoning, when their audience’s dreams of overturning the election could be realized.

What does Dinh have to say for Fox? He believes the critiques are unfair, and he vigorously defends Fox’s coverage of both the election and its aftermath.

“Recall that Fox News was the first network, and for several days the only network, to call Arizona correctly for President Biden,” Dinh said. “There was a lot of pressure to countermand the decision of the decision desk — but that was not going to happen.”

“It’s very easy for our political opponents and economic competitors to try and rewrite the history of this election,” Dinh continued. “There is no better historical record of Fox News’s excellent journalism than to see how the former president tweeted against Fox. I’m very proud of the excellent work our Fox News colleagues did in covering the election and post-election controversy.”

Fair enough (and I was pleasantly surprised myself by the Arizona call). But I asked Dinh: isn’t it also true that Fox News gave ample airtime to the (baseless) conspiracy theories of Donald Trump and his allies about the “stolen” election?

Citing core constitutional values, Dinh argued that the network was simply doing its job, playing its proper role as a major media news organization in our democratic system of governance.

“Obviously the biggest story in Washington, in America, and in the world at the time was the post-election challenge to the election results,” Dinh said. “When a presidential contender challenges the fairness of the election, when his campaign and his attorneys are litigating the results of the election, and when that contender is the sitting president of the United States, that is a newsworthy event to the third order.”

Because of the protections the First Amendment provides to news organizations when covering elections, the most critical of events in democracies, Dinh isn’t worried about the lawsuit filed against Fox and three of its anchors by election technology company Smartmatic, which seeks at least $2.7 billion in damages from Fox because its hosts and guests (falsely) claimed or suggested that Smartmatic helped rig the election. Nor is Dinh losing sleep over “imminent” litigation from Dominion Voting Systems, another voting technology company expected to make similar allegations.

“The newsworthy nature of the contested presidential election deserved full and fair coverage from all journalists, Fox News did its job, and this is what the First Amendment protects,” Dinh said when I asked him about the litigation. “I’m not at all concerned about such lawsuits, real or imagined.”

Of course, there is a distinction (which many observers often overlook) between the “news” side of Fox News, such as the Decision Desk that called Arizona for Biden, and the opinion hosts, like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson. Even if the news operation of Fox covered the 2020 election credibly, what about the opinion hosts at Fox News, who were not exactly “fair and balanced” during this time? Many of them did far more than simply report Trump’s claims, but instead bolstered, endorsed, or otherwise supported them, despite their falsity.

Dinh oversees legal affairs, not programming, and he very easily could have dodged my questions by saying something to that effect. Instead, he didn’t flinch from defending even Fox’s opinion hosts (which maybe shouldn’t be too surprising, given his own conservative beliefs).

I asked Dinh, point blank: you really have no regrets about the commentary of Sean Hannity and his ilk, both during and after the election?

“The job of our news reporters is to cover the news fully and fairly,” he said. “The job of our opinion hosts is to entertain guests who can voice their own opinions. The opinion hosts also speak very clearly, and at times passionately, about the views they hold themselves.”

“Both aspects are important to the enduring appeal and relevance of Fox News. We have a world-class news operation, and we have opinion hosts who attract very good guests. Not only do I have no regrets, but I think they are serving in the proudest tradition of American journalism.”

That’s what Dinh has to say to Fox’s critics on the left. What about its critics — and challengers — on the right? Fox now faces competitors such as One America News and Newsmax, far-right outlets that Trump promoted on his (now defunct) Twitter feed after he soured on Fox News. Will Fox lose conservatives to these more extreme outlets, while remaining just as loathed on the left as it always has been? And will Fox suffer from a loss of the general “Trump bump” for television news ratings?

“I’m not worried about the new news cycle,” Dinh told me. “We knew there would be a drop-off after the election, which happens every few years. We just didn’t anticipate the post-election news cycle that elongated the ‘election’ period by another two months, with the election challenges and the double runoff in Georgia.”

“Now that we are back into a normal post-election news cycle, the enduring relevance of Fox News will continue. We have an unwavering belief in the quality of our journalism and the clarity of our opinion.”

Although Fox News gets the most attention (and criticism) in the Fox family, it’s not the only business of Fox Corporation, Dinh reminded me. He noted that Fox Sports continued its winning streak in the fall, as did Fox Broadcasting, which was the No. 1 network in the fall season.

“What we predicted two years ago, in launching the ‘New Fox’ as a top-in-class brand focused on nimble execution in the domestic market, has come to pass,” he said. “The last two years have been tumultuous, but our original thesis has shone through.”

Of course, as lawyers well know, past performance is no guarantee of future results. Where Fox and Viet Dinh will be another two years from now — or 10 years from now, or two decades from now — is anyone’s guess. As Warren Buffett famously quipped, “It takes 20 years to build a reputation, and five minutes to ruin it.”

Life is full of twists and turns — much like Succession, the popular HBO show loosely inspired by Fox’s first family, the Murdochs. I asked Dinh whether he watches Succession — and, if so, whether he has any suggestions for who should play him if the show were to introduce a Dinh-like character.

Dinh is hyper-articulate in interviews — they don’t call him “Viet Spin” for nothing — but I stumped him with the casting question. I told him he shouldn’t feel bad about his inability to come up with names, given the relative dearth of Asian-American actors. But even on that subject, the ever-optimistic Dinh had positive things to say.

“The increasing visibility of Asian Americans in both journalism and entertainment is very welcome to me,” he said, mentioning Awkwafina and Christine Nguyen as two performers he admires. But no, he hasn’t seen Succession.

“I have not watched Succession,” he said with a chuckle. “But I hear it’s a pretty good piece of fiction.”

[1] For purposes of this “most powerful lawyer” question, I’m excluding judges, such as the members of the Supreme Court, and lawyers who no longer practice or whose power derives from a non-legal position, such as President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.

[2] On law school friendships that later turn into professional partnerships, I’m reminded of Miles Ruthberg and Peter Wald, who similarly became friends at HLS and years later became law partners, helping to build Latham & Watkins into the firm it is today.

[3] Because of Dinh’s friendship with Lachlan Murdoch, his service on the board was not without controversy, with questions raised about whether Dinh was truly an “independent” director and whether he was selected because of his ties to the Murdochs. According to Dinh, it was really the other way around: although he knew Lachlan before joining the board, Dinh’s service on the board is what cemented their friendship.


DBL square headshotDavid Lat, the founding editor of Above the Law, is a writer, speaker, and legal recruiter at Lateral Link, where he is a managing director in the New York office. You can read his latest writing about law and the legal profession by subscribing to Original Jurisdiction, his Substack newsletter. David’s book, Supreme Ambitions: A Novel (2014), was described by the New York Times as “the most buzzed-about novel of the year” among legal elites. Before entering the media and recruiting worlds, David worked as a federal prosecutor, a litigation associate at Wachtell Lipton, and a law clerk to Judge Diarmuid F. O’Scannlain of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. You can connect with David on Twitter (@DavidLat), LinkedIn, and Facebook, and you can reach him by email at dlat@laterallink.com.

Leon Black To Spend Even More Time With His Alibis For That Visit To Jeffrey Epstein’s Sex Island

Back in January, Apollo Global Management founder Leon Black successfully fought for the right to remain the private equity giant’s CEO until he turned 70 later this year, and its chairman until whenever the hell he feels like it. After all, those investigations he and his firm had done and commissioned into his relationship with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein had unequivocally proven he’d done nothing wrong or even slightly questionable in funneling nearly $200 million to a sex trafficker. He was going to go out on his own, dignified terms, no matter what co-founder Josh Harris and Apollo’s clients thought.

Morning Docket: 03.23.21

* A new lawsuit alleges that marijuana was mixed with salads from Whole Foods and transported interstate to help another weed business. Gives new meaning to the term “Devil’s lettuce”… [Crain’s Chicago Business]

* A former doctor has been sentenced to prison for attempted murder against a California lawyer. [Mercury News]

* A judge has certified a class action against Apple over claims that MacBook keyboards were defective. Hope the class members read the terms and conditions. [Verge]

* Biglaw associates are seemingly sitting pretty when compared to some analysts at Goldman Sachs. [Law and More]

* Another lawyer is leaving the criminal defense legal team of the former NXIVM leader. [ABC News]

* Check out this article about who owns the moon. Guess finders keepers, losers weepers does not apply to space law… [Yahoo News]


Jordan Rothman is a partner of The Rothman Law Firm, a full-service New York and New Jersey law firm. He is also the founder of Student Debt Diaries, a website discussing how he paid off his student loans. You can reach Jordan through email at jordan@rothmanlawyer.com.

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This Law School Really Cares About Providing Equal Opportunities For Women

Ed. Note: Welcome to our daily feature Trivia Question of the Day!

According to Princeton Review’s 2021 ranking, which law school offers the greatest resources for women?

Hint: The ranking was based on the percentage of the student body who identify as women as well as on student answers to a single survey question: whether all students are afforded equal treatment by students and faculty regardless of their gender.

See the answer on the next page.

The Top 5 Gonzo Arguments Against DC Statehood … So Far Today

It’s been a wild day at the House Oversight Committee where DC statehood is being debated as we type. There is a rational argument that this might require a constitutional amendment, not a simple act of Congress. But the focus today was on the batshit arguments. Because when GA-10, AZ-4, and KY-1 send their people, they are really not sending their best.

Here are the Top Five WTF moments from the first five hours of the hearing.

1. DC Has No Car Dealership, Which the Constitution Cannot Abide

Rep. Jody Hice (GA-10): It would be the only state, without an airport, and without a car dealership, and without a capitol city, and without a landfill.

In addition to being nuts, this one is objectively false.

2. What If California Wants To Divide Into States, Won’t You Be Sorry Then?

Rep. James Comer (KY-1): If that were to happen, I wonder do you think this would lead other states to split and try to create their own states? For example, in California, there’s been a movement for many, many years to create the 51st state there. A lot of, in fact a majority of the map of California feels disenfranchised because so much of the population lives in San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego.

DC Mayor Muriel Bowser did not inquire as to how “a majority of the map” could feel any way at all. But this is her face as she pointed out that everyone in California has two senators, while DC residents have zero.

3. Paris Was Around In 1801, And It’s Not A Separate Country. Checkmate, Libs!

Rep. Paul Gosar (AZ-1): Going back to the size of the city. You said it’s about 700,000. Do you think that the size of Paris at the time that we considered this district was taken into consideration for the design of the district? What was the size of Paris in 1801?

Mayor Bowser: I’m not sure of the size of Paris in 1801.

Rep. Gosar: It was about 630,000. So I think they took that well into consideration.

Remember when Rep. Gosar claimed to be a “body language expert” because he’s a dentist?

4. DC Can’t Be a State Because It Has No Mines

Rep. Glenn Grothman (WI-6): I have a good friend, and he talks about what it takes to build a good economy. He says we have to manufacture it, we have to grow it, or we have to mine it. Or I guess we can milk it. He is saying wealth is created by manufacturing, agriculture, and natural minerals. Every state has it, to some degree. I would like to ask anybody out there if they have an idea as far as the number of manufacturing jobs in Washington, DC … Let’s talk a little bit about the agriculture in Washington, DC, and talk about the mining or drilling in Washington, DC, all of which have to be very tiny compared to that of what we get in a normal state.

Whoever heard of a state without coal mines, amirite?

5. What Will It Take To Get You In A New Second Class Citizenship TODAY?

Rep. Andrew Clyde (GA-9): Okay, so what we could do instead is, we could say, alright, what if the residents of DC were exempt from federal taxes? You have representation already when it comes to presidential elections. And you have representation in the congress with Delegate Norton, who, obviously, you know, she doesn’t have a direct vote. But She can certainly introduce bills, because she introduced HR-51. So if the residents of DC were exempted from say, 50 percent of federal taxes, because they have some representation already, would that be acceptable?

No, not even if you throw in the undercoat for free.

Outside the hearing, the discourse was similarly rational.

Cuba???

Okay, then.


Elizabeth Dye lives in Baltimore where she writes about law and politics.