A Lot Of Coffee, A Hospital, And An Ocean: Learning To Listen To Whispers About Wellness 

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As I walked along the ocean’s edge, my feet in the cool, damp sand, I watched the ocean remake and renew itself over and over again, and in doing so, it changed the environment around it. These morning walks are few and far between; I am here with my family for a few precious days each summer, a few carefully guarded vacation days that are, nonetheless, usually interrupted by the call of work.

But just a few weeks ago, I was far from this ocean, lying in a hospital bed in the Cedar-Sinai Medical Center where I had just been admitted. No, I was not in the hospital because of coronavirus, nor was I being hospitalized for drinking too much or taking too many pills.

Except that I was there, sort of, because of coronavirus. And, it turns out, I was drinking too much and taking too many pills, only I was drinking too much coffee and taking too much Advil, along with maxing out on triptans, the medicines prescribed for me to try to ease the pain of my chronic back pain. I took the Advil to try to numb the pain of my nervous system screaming at me, and I drank the coffee to try to feel un-numb again, awake, present.

Internally, I felt like the coffee I drank too much of — filled to the very brim, facing each day ready to boil over at any minute.

Like many lawyers, I am a Type A personality, setting high expectations for myself and then attempting to surpass them. And like many women, I have been sugar and spice and everything nice, because that’s what little girls are made of, right? I have used the “Goods” and the “Shoulds” as a roadmap for my life.  How would a good lawyer handle this? What would a good mother say? What would a good sister do? A good friend? Wife? Daughter?

And Good’s helper, Should, answered those unanswerable questions for me. You should bill more hours; a good lawyer would. You should volunteer for that school committee; a good mother would. You should be thinner; all good women are. You should, you should. And I did, or at least I tried.

And that brimming, burning cup of coffee got hotter, and fuller, and overflowed with each new Good and Should.

Perhaps then, it is not surprising that the pandemic sent my already chronic back pain spinning out of control. This trip to the hospital was not the first one for my condition; I had been in the hospital many times in previous years, but the prior visits were all outpatient infusions and one day here and one day there. Not this time, though. This time, I was being admitted for almost two weeks, which meant actually taking time off work (although I might have taken a call or two) and even leaving my husband and kids at home without me.

But my identity has been wrapped up for a long time in doing it all. And yet something as stigmatized and underestimated as back pain threatened to undo that identity, to take all of it away. In prior hospitalizations, I would post pictures of myself hooked up to an IV in a small hospital room, my laptop propped open in front of me, with sayings like, “The pain may be tough, but I’m tougher.” But then the pandemic hit.

In March and April, I had managed to bill strong months, even while assisting my kids with online school and trying to keep their spirits up. I checked in on my parents and in-laws to make sure they were staying safe, did a couple of virtual conferences, brought in new clients, and dutifully logged in to virtual parent-coffees offered by my daughter’s schools.

But I could feel the dark vacuum of pain sucking me in. The pain would enter the periphery of my vision and close in on me until my world looked like it was broken, like looking through shattered glass. My bedroom became my continual refuge, lying in my bed with my eyes squeezed shut to let my brain try to rest, exhausted by chronic pain.

That pain was not the real enemy; it was merely a symptom. My body’s way of telling me … my brain’s way of forcing me … to stop, take inventory, get some perspective.  The constant pressures of our profession, the drive to bill more hours, the around-the-clock needs and demands of clients about whom I care deeply, the drive to bill more hours, despite the ensuing chaos swirling around us, were the real culprit as they interweaved with my internal perfectionism and drive.

So, as I sat in that hospital bed, detoxing from Advil and too much coffee, hooked to yet another IV, new medicines dripping endlessly and coursing through my veins, I began to get clearer. The fog began to break apart, the aura prism retreating. I could see again, both literally and figuratively, and I could especially see that I could not continue to treat myself as if I am dispensable, indestructible. Instead of ignoring and numbing the pain, instead of saying, “Oh, I am fine,” I needed to pay attention to the pain, listen to what it was furiously whispering to me, begging me to hear.

“You are already enough,” it was saying, the sharp echo of each word vibrating down each of my neural pathways. “There’s nothing more you need to prove.” The lawyer in me wanted to argue, to come to the defense of Good and Should. But the mom in me tried hard to listen, lovingly and with compassion, the kind of caring listening that I would offer my children, my husband, a friend.

“Wellness” and “mindfulness” have become trendy words in the legal profession, and yet, like other words — diversity, inclusion, equity — they are thrown around like saying them, or posting about some related initiative on a law firm website, will suffice. Most lawyers give little thought to the real and vast consequences of what un-well and mind-less-ness look like. Lawyer wellness means lawyers who are whole humans, with lives and families, and passions — lawyers who are connected to their friends and communities and still remember what it means to work for justice.

Lawyer wellness, to be meaningful and effective, will require breaking systems apart and putting them back together. Lawyer wellness encompasses diversity and inclusion efforts, gender equity, and preventing motherhood penalty, initiatives that encourage healthy behaviors and get rid of broken ones that lead to depression, substance abuse, and … wait for it … chronic overwork.

When I left that hospital bed, I was determined to also leave behind habits that rewarded and sustained being an un-well lawyer. No more Advil (I have the right medicines to use now), and more time exercising and committing to a meditation practice, taking time to listen to my body before it reaches its breaking point.  Oh, and … this one hurts … no more coffee.

And maybe, with less coffee going in, I can stop feeling like that brimming, boiling cup of coffee. Maybe instead, I can be like the ocean in the early morning, breathing in and breathing out, renewing and remaking myself according to my own internal voice, and hopefully changing the world around me for the better as I do.


Good Riddance To 2020

Do you think we should have a time capsule for 2020? Obviously, masks, hand sanitizers, virus tests of whatever sort and kind, face shields, all the other PPE would go in there, but what else? Obituaries for the hundreds of thousands who have already died, and whose numbers continue to climb? And where to place that capsule? And how long before it’s opened?

I don’t think there is anyone on the planet who will have any regrets when 2020 beats its retreat. Given my age, I’ve lived through lots of crap, from the Vietnam War on forward and that war changed my life in many ways. Never, however, has there been anything in my lifetime like what this past year has wrought. Good riddance 2020, you can’t leave soon enough. Let me push you out the door.

So, I am not going to look back (as Satchel Paige said, don’t look back because something is gaining on you), and I am not going to look forward, except for the arrival of the vaccine. Looking forward is not my strong suit. A year ago, no one even thought about what was to come. Besides, my crystal ball is in the shop. I can wait. I leave future think to those more expert at prognostication.  However, I do predict that we need to rethink the bar exam, multijurisdictional practice, and ways of providing better access to justice.

I can wait my turn for the vaccine, whenever that may be. I can wait for whatever time is takes for whatever the “new normal” will be. I can wait for so many things.

Lawyers are not normally patient people. (Surprise!) But I think this year may have slowed down the overdeveloped sense of urgency that we all have. Does it absolutely have to be done this minute? This hour? This day? Are most matters that we handle, especially nowadays really all that urgent? Do we need a holiday truce?  See Exhibit A.

Our urgencies are nothing compared to what’s happening around us. Our profession has a culture with a proud history of service, but a dark side we should seek to shun.

The tragic murder/suicide of a Connecticut attorney and his wife reminds us that maybe truces should last longer than the holidays. And that we need to take care of ourselves as well as clients. How many more stories must we read before we lawyers finally understand that, as Kurt Vonnegut said, we are human beings, not human doings? We practice law, we don’t perfect it, and we still need to learn that our clients’ problems are not ours, but theirs.

So many dead, so many “long-haulers,” so many lives changed forever. For many lawyers, with roofs over our heads, food on the table, and some money in the bank, the world has not changed. Yes, we’re Zooming, Skyping, Face Timing, Blue Jeansing, or whatever service is used to connect with the world. Yet we’re pretty much sheltered from a lot of realities that essential workers face every day, those unemployed due to business closings of all type and nature, those who wait in long lines at food banks. We may whine and complain about how the pandemic affects our lives, but I think that we are, in the main, more fortunate than many. Remember that.

The CDC says that lawyers and judges fall within the definition of “other essential workers” for lining up for the vaccine. When will courts be fully operational again? And if the jury panels are not composed of essential workers, unlikely because they are stocking the grocery shelves, delivering mail and packages, and most importantly, trying to save lives, when will jury trials be underway without the present fear that lives in all of us (if not the virus)?

Mark Herrmann poses the question of how we will entertain ourselves after January 20.

The Twitter universe may well become boring, (hooray!) ditto other social media, which I prefer to call “unsocial media.” Less bullying, less animosity, perhaps a kinder, gentler world? Wouldn’t that be a relief, wouldn’t that be a pleasure? Could it lead to fewer tweets of this kind?

So many deaths from the virus, but so many heroes. Somehow in the time of all this awfulness, while the world continues to spin, legal work, transactions, discovery disputes — the things that make up the daily routine of lawyers’ lives — are not that big a deal. Unless it’s a criminal case of high stakes (and the death penalty can’t be any higher) the issue is money: who has it, who wants it, who gets it, and right now, I don’t think those things truly matter these days. I can hear the howls of protest, especially those in the “Biglaw world,” but just wait a minute. What truly matters these days? What should truly matter these days? If the answer has nothing to do with health and family, then this profession is further down the tubes than I think.

Nothing is more important than our health, the health and love of family and friends. Just ask anyone who has lost a loved one among the close to 350,000 (I can’t believe I am typing this number) who have died in the U.S. this year. Just ask someone who has had a loved one battle the virus and win, but whose life is forever changed.

Hopefully, we are learning that the things that matter are not billable hours, but as I said, the world continues to spin. As it does, thank those who have made it possible for us to continue living.


Jill Switzer has been an active member of the State Bar of California for over 40 years. She remembers practicing law in a kinder, gentler time. She’s had a diverse legal career, including stints as a deputy district attorney, a solo practice, and several senior in-house gigs. She now mediates full-time, which gives her the opportunity to see dinosaurs, millennials, and those in-between interact — it’s not always civil. You can reach her by email at oldladylawyer@gmail.com.

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Lin Wood Is Having Himself A Day On Twitter

It seemed impossible that the post-election litigation cycle could get any stupider. Rudy Giuliani melted down figuratively and literally on screen. His other Elite Strike ForceTM lawyer’s resume is… far from elite, though she is a doctor! Sidney Powell’s legal theories proved so baseless and bonkers that she was kicked out of the band and launched her own Team Kraken. Then Texas sued other states because Ken Paxton wants a pardon OF VERY IMPORTANT CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES and the Supreme Court laughed at them, prompting a wingnut theory that John Roberts yelled and cursed at the other justices in the conference room despite not having met in person in months.

But Team Kraken’s bass player Lin Wood is here to take it up another notch.

I’m sorry, what?

Can we get some more clarity on that, Lin?

If only Umberto Eco were alive to see The Plan become real. In Foucault’s Pendulum, the characters make up a stupid series of conspiracies as a lark and eventually find the intertwining conspiracies metastasize and dangerously drag more people into the nonsense. Trump’s electoral defeat is now tied to Jeffrey Epstein and Pizzagate. The grand unified theory of batshit is right around the corner.

Be sure to check “Hunter Biden’s laptop” off on your Bingo card. Fantastic email by the way… with grammar that impeccable there is no way it could be mistaken for a Russian apparatchik trying to draft an email through Google translate. Nope.

And now QAnon enters the chat. We’re through the looking glass here people!

The implication here is that Roberts could sue Wood for defamation… but TRUTH is a defense to defamation… so the fact Roberts hasn’t sued him yet proves everything Wood is saying must be true. QED, mofos! Or maybe it’s because Roberts is a public figure requiring an uphill climb to prove defamation and there aren’t any damages because these claims are so absurd that they aren’t damaging his reputation? Who’s to say?

You know, how people always play chess, perpendicular to the board for a photo op. The board’s a little hard to see, but it certainly looks like Trump intentionally moved his Queen into a place where Barron could take it on this move and instead the kid is moving a random pawn and exposing his other Knight. So… yeah, this does look a lot like January 6, 2021.

Wood then spends an hour going after Dan Crenshaw and then an hour going after Mark Meadows. And Moderna and Bill Gates. It’s like the 12 Days of Christmas of wild accusations. I’m just waiting for the classic “FIVE. GOLD. RINGS!!!! (Forged by George Soros in the fires of Mt. Doom).”

But thankfully, Wood isn’t finished with John Roberts yet.

Well, that took a turn, didn’t it.

Happy 2021!


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Prosecutor Live-Tweets Trial Against Pro Se Defendant

On the one hand, the idea of prosecutors using social media to troll criminal defendants feels problematic. On the other hand, this is hilarious.

The anonymous Twitter handle @MotiontoLit took to Twitter to keep us all up to date on his latest trial. In a sense, this is just the 21st century equivalent of the deeply democratic principle of keeping court proceedings open to all. Though it does seem like exclusively hearing the prosecution’s running commentary skews things a bit.

I have mixed feelings about the pro se world. I agree wholeheartedly with the critiques forwarded by Judge Posner and James Sandman that the courts are unduly hostile to litigants, making justice functionally inaccessible as the cost of legal representation continues to rise. Though I also agree with Judge Posner that a lot of these pro se litigants are vexatious cranks. In the criminal context, where even indigent defendants can get access to attorneys, the only people who go it alone are folks who’ve devoted a lot of time and energy to becoming a proficient armchair lawyer and people who are about to crash and burn. This is the story of that second type.

In fairness, based on how the rest of this story goes, the state probably did waste a lot of time on voir dire.

Apparently, a fool and his freedom are also soon parted. I’m beginning to think this case could have really benefited from a defense attorney.

I think what he’s trying to say — I hope — is that the prosecution claimed that defendant’s testimony was unreliable, but if the video evidence is also inconclusive, then the prosecution has failed to meet its burden. But since this appears to be a drunk driving case, this might not be the most felicitous phrasing.

Remember when that guy showed up to his own disbarment proceeding dressed as Thomas Jefferson? Or the lawyers who tried to get away with pajamas or nothing at all? I think we can cut the defendant some slack for a tracksuit. Though why anyone would want to look like Paulie Walnuts in front of a jury is beyond me.

The defendant was found guilty on all counts. Probably because he admitted to drinking 3 shots and 2 beers.

Congrats.


HeadshotJoe Patrice is a senior editor at Above the Law and co-host of Thinking Like A Lawyer. Feel free to email any tips, questions, or comments. Follow him on Twitter if you’re interested in law, politics, and a healthy dose of college sports news. Joe also serves as a Managing Director at RPN Executive Search.

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New Elementary School To Be Named After Judicial Twitter Star

Judge Don Willett has graced Above the Law’s pages for years as a prolific Twitter user under the handle @JusticeWillett. Unfortunately, once he departed the Texas Supreme Court for the snootier environs of the Fifth Circuit, he’s curbed his tweeting and legal Twitter is all the poorer for it.

But there is some good news for the judge: the Forney, Texas school district where Willett graduated high school in 1984 is building a new elementary school and naming it after the jurist.

That’s an intense elementary school! My elementary school was a single row of classrooms connected by an outdoor covered walkway. This thing looks like a palace. Especially this random hallway where I’m pretty sure junior Will Hunting here just cracked Cayley’s Formula.

Congratulations to Judge Willett on this honor. Maybe if we’re all lucky he can retweet this story.


HeadshotJoe Patrice is a senior editor at Above the Law and co-host of Thinking Like A Lawyer. Feel free to email any tips, questions, or comments. Follow him on Twitter if you’re interested in law, politics, and a healthy dose of college sports news. Joe also serves as a Managing Director at RPN Executive Search.

Trusts And Estates In The Year 2020

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The year 2020, plagued by COVID-19, has exposed all of our vulnerabilities to disease and death, regardless of age, gender, or socio-economic class. As a trusts and estates attorney I am used to planning for the worst-possible, albeit remote, scenario for most people. Over the past several months, I couldn’t allay clients’ concerns in the same way. More than ever, I am like a broken record, repeating, urging, and advocating that all individuals over the age of 18, regardless of age, level of wealth, or familial structure execute last wills and testaments, powers of attorney, and healthcare proxies. Sight unseen, everyone needs these documents, to protect wealth, children, spouses, family, and yourself.

The execution of legal documents comes at a financial cost. Sometimes this deters individuals from consulting with counsel. Other times, individuals are too busy and put the matter off for a later time. Sometimes people do not want to address issues of sickness and mortality and cannot bring themselves to think about the important matters that are the subject of the estate-planning documents.

Such issues plague all kinds of people, and even if they can afford to plan, addressing such difficult issues may deter document execution. In recent months, we have learned that several celebrities have died intestate, without a last will and testament.

Argentinian soccer star Diego Armando Maradona died in November at the age of 60. Many believe him to have been one of the greatest soccer players of all time. Argentina issued a three-day period of mourning in honor of his passing. He had amassed a fortune, including real estate and jewelry. Maradona’s life was filled with drama, and it is anticipated that events after his death will be just as, if not more, tumultuous. He had eight children from six different partners.

As no last will and testament has been produced, his eight children will divide the estate. Familial fighting is expected given the breadth of the estate and the various individuals who are now forced to review and distribute their deceased father’s estate.

Interestingly, Maradona has publicly stated that he wishes to donate his estate and not leave his children anything. Unfortunately, he died of a heart attack prior to putting such a plan in place. Under the laws of intestacy, next-of-kin, not charities, receive the decedent’s monies. Argentine law also holds that a spouse and children must receive a certain amount of a decedent’s estate under a last will. This is known as “forced heirship” meaning only a certain percentage may be willed outside of next-of-kin.

It has also been reported that former Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh died without a last will and testament. His estate is valued at approximately $840 million. He died at age 46 from smoke inhalation following a fire in New London, Connecticut. His brother and father have applied to serve as special administrators of his estate in Nevada where he was a resident. His estate administration will now be public, filed in probate court, and subject to court supervision. Hseih was survived by his two brothers and parents. Hsieh recently purchased eight houses in Park City, Utah. The purchase of real estate across state lines will make the administration of his estate even more complicated with a last will and trust. It has been reported that Hseih may have had drug and alcohol issues. He allegedly was fixated with fire. He also had instances of extreme dieting. His family was encouraging him to enter rehab, however, he died before receiving treatment. Hsieh at one point said he was going to a shed that was attached to the home, and asked the people in the house to check on him every five minutes, by the people’s account. They said he used a heater in the shed to lower the oxygen level.

It isn’t clear what started the fire. When the others at the house tried to get to him, they couldn’t. One emergency worker was heard telling others he was barricaded inside. Hsieh died from complications of smoke inhalation, the coroner said.

His death was ruled accidental.

Chadwick Boseman’s wife, Simone Ledward, has petitioned the California courts to be named the administrator of her husband’s estate. Boseman and Ledward, who had dated for five years, married in early 2020. The marriage gives Ledward the standing to petition the court for control of the estate, and it also positions her as the estate’s sole beneficiary as Boseman does not have any children.


Cori A. Robinson is a solo practitioner having founded Cori A. Robinson PLLC, a New York and New Jersey law firm, in 2017. For more than a decade Cori has focused her law practice on trusts and estates and elder law including estate and Medicaid planning, probate and administration, estate litigation, and guardianships. She can be reached at cori@robinsonestatelaw.com.

The Biden Administration Is Already Breaking Promises On Immigration

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The bar was low when I voted for Joe Biden. My top goal was to get Donald Trump out of the White House and put a grownup back in charge. That seems to be proceeding as planned.

Another goal was to undo the extensive damage that the Trump administration has done to the basic human rights of immigrants. I had every reason to expect that Biden would do this, because he directly said he would. In particular, he said his administration would, within its first 100 days or “on day one,” end “Remain in Mexico.” That’s the program that forces asylum-seekers to wait months in dangerous parts of northern Mexico before they are even permitted to make an asylum claim.

But for some reason, the Biden transition team is backpedaling on ending it. Just before Christmas, incoming domestic policy advisor Susan Rice and incoming national security advisor Jake Sullivan gave a detailed interview to EFE, a Spanish-language wire service (like the AP), that included a lot of comments about immigration. Some of those comments are deeply disappointing. Take Sullivan’s answer when the interviewer asked how soon “remain in Mexico” will be canceled:

MPP [the Trump administration’s Orwellian name for the program] has been a disaster from the start and has led to a humanitarian crisis in northern Mexico. But putting the new policy into practice will take time. The current administration dismantled much of the necessary capacity to ensure the safe and orderly processing of migrants. We need time to increase processing capacity and to do so consistent with public health requirements.

Or Rice’s answer to a similar question about the pandemic-related public health order that the Trump admin used to keep asylum-seekers out. The order has so little legal (or public health) basis that a federal judge in November ordered the Trump administration to stop, although they’ve apparently been ignoring that order:

Processing capacity at the border is not like a light that you can just switch on and off. Migrants and asylum seekers absolutely should not believe those in the region peddling the idea that the border will suddenly be fully open to process everyone on Day One. It will not.

Look, I’ll admit that it is going to take some time to rebuild the asylum system, which Trump pretty much set on fire, and modify it to deal with COVID-19. But “processing capacity” was also the Trump administration excuse for Remain in Mexico and the related policy of “metering,” which limits the number of asylum seekers CBP will accept on any given day. It is nonsense. There is no reason why U.S. Customs and Border Protection, which has seen budget increases almost every year of its 20-year existence, should lack “processing capacity.” I also doubt that the people who work there have lost all record of how things were done five years ago. This doesn’t need to take six months.

Nor should it. It’s not an exaggeration to say that lives are at stake. Parts of northern Mexico are so dangerous that the State Department tells Americans not to go there. Most of the people who appear at the border asking for asylum are extremely poor, so they’re not waiting it out in hotels; they often live in tent cities where they lack basic hygiene and are sitting ducks for crime and COVID-19. This (intentionally, I’m sure) incentivizes people to try crossing illegally, which has a decent chance of killing them, and allows the government to tar them as “criminals” and steal their children if they’re caught. It’s an obscene human rights violation with no basis in the law.

I hate with every fiber of my being that my tax dollars are were used to create this situation. I voted for Biden because I thought that provided my best chance of ending it. And — despite the gleeful criticisms they are now facing from the left — I still think so. Dragging a center-left president left is clearly more possible than attempting to reason with an authoritarian racist who hates facts. But this interview shows that it’s going to take some work.


Lorelei Laird is a freelance writer specializing in the law, and the only person you know who still has an “I Believe Anita Hill” bumper sticker. Find her at wordofthelaird.com.

Morning Docket: 12.31.20

* An appellate court was divided about whether a lawyer should be given slack for missing a filing deadline because of COVID-19. The judges not giving this attorney a break are real “juristicklers”… [Texas Lawyer]

* A West Virginia lawyer has been disbarred for attempting to barter sex in exchange for handling a stripper’s divorce case. [Bluefield Daily Telegraph]

* The Manhattan District Attorney is reportedly hiring forensic accountants as the criminal probe into President Trump’s activities deepens. [Washington Post]

* A new lawsuit alleges that a black man was misidentified and jailed due to facial-recognition technology. [NBC News]

* The Space Force is delaying a $12 billion deal after a court found that a contractor may have engaged in fraudulent conduct. Steve Carrell must be behind this conscientious move… [Hill]


Jordan Rothman is a partner of The Rothman Law Firm, a full-service New York and New Jersey law firm. He is also the founder of Student Debt Diaries, a website discussing how he paid off his student loans. You can reach Jordan through email at jordan@rothmanlawyer.com.